An excellent run down from Brant.

Read the whole thing, but here’s a brief excerpt (I think that’s redundant).

His crucifixion and resurrection were, obviously, central to this message. Instead of setting us politically free, He set us truly free — free from just punishment of our rebellion, free from death itself.

Jesus’ plan was bigger than that of His people at the time. His teaching gave us a way to be set free, here and now, from ourselves; from our sin, anger, bitterness, lust, envy, lack of contentment. (Read the Sermon on the Mount with that in mind, in Matthew 5-7.) The Kingdom was announced then, with Jesus telling people how happy (”blessed” in some translations) various on-the-outs groups would be that the Kingdom was here.

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1   Chris P.    
January 10th, 2008 at 3:26 pm

Wow!!
Then this group is the church;http://www.wjfb.org/
and Mother Theresa was Jesus in drag.
This is what happens when you separate the apostolic letters from the Gospel narratives, and keep both of those separate from the “old testament”, i.e. the law and the prophets.

2   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
January 10th, 2008 at 3:29 pm

Chris,

Once again your comment has nothing ot do with the post…

and all you sound like is an angry bitter person.

Still praying for you.

iggy

3   Joe C    http://www.joe4gzus.blogspot.com
January 10th, 2008 at 7:22 pm

Do you think at this point Chris P just posts stuff like that just to string us along? He can’t seriously be serious. I don’t even understand his point…

Tim,

Thanks for posting this brother, it’s really a great thing to hear over and over again, the Kingdom of God, the Good News of Jesus. Here and now, let’s get out there and be the Kingdom, and bring it to people.

Yanno, do like Jesus dun!

Joe

4   Neil    
January 10th, 2008 at 7:38 pm

Re Chris P. and his comments:

There comes a point where the comments are so vague, and so disconnected to the post in any stretch of the imagination that ya just read ‘em – think “OK, whatever” then move on to some comment that is relevant an cogent.

Neil

5   Joe Martino    http://joemartino.name
January 10th, 2008 at 7:40 pm

I personally vote for him to be put on the moderation list. What do you say Chris L?

6   Tim Reed, Owosso MI    http://churchvoices.com
January 10th, 2008 at 7:51 pm

I second that. Chris P’s comments are rarely productive enough to be a good reason to not put him on the moderation list.

7   Anonymous    
January 10th, 2008 at 8:05 pm

The Good News is threefold

1) God in all three persons is hyper-masculine.

Adam and Eve left the shadow of the hyper-masculine. Eve left by becoming a goddess and taking the initiative in deception, and Adam abandoned his husbandly post by listening and obeying Eve. Adam became cynical of losing Eve, and thought that his death would be better than living eternally without her. He was mistaken.

2) Mary acknowledged her complete inequality – femininity – when she surrendered perfectly to God’s will at the annunciation. She regained the feminine manifestation of hyper-masculinity through her motherhood of her Son Jesus Christ.

3) The resulting incarnation – God the Son Jesus Christ – defeated death by death and is our eternal hope. His resurrection proves that there is never a reason for cynicism, and there is never an excuse to disobey God.

Hyper-masculinity and its boundless Love is the reason for our hope.

8   Neil    
January 10th, 2008 at 8:13 pm

The 60’s were good to someone…

9   Anonymous    
January 10th, 2008 at 8:24 pm

Niel,

What part do you not understand?

10   Neil    
January 10th, 2008 at 8:32 pm

That’s a tough question, for any answer would spur you on to even more drivvel…

Neil

11   merry    
January 10th, 2008 at 8:33 pm

I’m finding Anon’s comments fascinating (in a strange way).

Anon, define “hyper-masculinity” for me, please?

I’m struggling very hard not to ask you what language you are speaking and what time period you from and do you really take yourself that seriously.

I’ll refrain.

12   Anonymous    
January 10th, 2008 at 8:48 pm

Merry,

I take things very seriously.

Hyper-masculinity is a word picture taken from Physics. This concept deals with various levels of dimensions.

For example, a line is one dimensional, a square two dimensional, a cube three dimensional, and a hyper-cube four or more dimensional.

The object of one less dimension is always the shadow of the one greater. A square is the shadow of a cube – check it out with a light source and a wall. A line is the shadow of a square.

Similarly, male and female are shadows of the higher dimension masculine and feminine. So, to say God is not male is a correct statement, because human maleness is too low of a dimension for God. Rather, human maleness, or human femaleness in the motherly form is a shadow of the hyper-masculine God.

This is not Gnosticism, quite the opposite in fact. Gnosticism teaches that the female and mother both are shadows of the hyper-feminine, and that this hyper-feminine is part of God.

13   merry    
January 10th, 2008 at 8:53 pm

If it isn’t Gnosticism, than is there a special name for these . . . ideas? Basically, I’m just wondering what religion or denomination are you? Who came up with all this?

14   Anonymous    
January 10th, 2008 at 8:55 pm

Merry,

This is the eternal story of Christianity.

15   Neil    
January 10th, 2008 at 8:58 pm

Now that’s a topic – is “Christianity” eternal?

Neil

(sorry to poke my uneducated head in on your hyper-intelligent conversation, Anon)

16   Joe C    http://www.joe4gzus.blogspot.com
January 10th, 2008 at 8:59 pm

Anon, out of your whole first comment on this thread…where you were talking about what the “Good News” is and how it’s ‘three-fold’…

Here’s the only part out of all you said that is the actually part of Gospel…

[Jesus] defeated death by death and is our eternal hope

The rest…….I’m not “betting” my salvation on it. lol

Joe

17   Chris L    http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/
January 10th, 2008 at 9:02 pm

Merry,

What it is is basically an extra-biblical systematic interpretation of God overlaid with a bit of Freudian psychobabble (or, more accurately, philosobabble)…

18   Joe Martino    http://joemartino.name
January 10th, 2008 at 9:02 pm

[Jesus] defeated death by death and is our eternal hope

That is utter foolishness. Jesus defeated death by RISING from the dead.

19   Anonymous    
January 10th, 2008 at 9:02 pm

Neil,

You are welcome to ask any question you like.

The most important skill for you to practice, if you feel that you are too uneducated for this conversation, is the skill of listening.

The answer is: Yes, Christianity is eternal.

20   Chris L    http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/
January 10th, 2008 at 9:04 pm

More likely, though, is that Mr. Anon is a watchdoggie pulling chains…

Mr. Anon – if you don’t start making sense and stop with the stupidity, you’ll be put on moderation…

21   Joe C    http://www.joe4gzus.blogspot.com
January 10th, 2008 at 9:06 pm

Yeah my bad Joe M, I should have read more carefully. So I take back my statement Anon…nothing you wrote in your opening comment was the Gospel, as Jesus defeated death by raising from the dead.

Joe

22   merry    
January 10th, 2008 at 9:06 pm

^Aw, let him comment. I think he’s hilarious. As long as he doesn’t insult anyone anymore.

23   Anonymous    
January 10th, 2008 at 9:07 pm

Merry,

Did you check out the hyper-cube idea with a cube, flashlight and see the two dimensional square on the wall?

Ignore Joe M for a minute…

24   Neil    
January 10th, 2008 at 9:07 pm

Regarding the death of Jesus… the God- Man. The death of his human maleness was only a shadow of the death of his hyper-masculine Godness. Therefore, like any shadow is effected by the hyper-object and the light source… the shadow death Jesus suffered as a shadow masculine entity was drug along into life by the resuscitation of the hyper-revitalization of the hyper-masculinity of his Divinity.

Right?
I don’t think Christianity is eternal – Christ “yes” – Christianity – “not so.”

Neil

25   Joe Martino    http://joemartino.name
January 10th, 2008 at 9:09 pm

A line is the shadow of a square.

Wrong again, Bubba, a line can be a shadow of sqaure

26   Joe Martino    http://joemartino.name
January 10th, 2008 at 9:10 pm

Ignore Joe M for a minute…

Really and truly that hurt again. Good thing I’m not all that sensitive…

27   Anonymous    
January 10th, 2008 at 9:10 pm

Joe M,

I agree with this Joe M.

28   Anonymous    
January 10th, 2008 at 9:12 pm

That a line can be a shadow of the square – Joe M.

29   Joe C    http://www.joe4gzus.blogspot.com
January 10th, 2008 at 9:14 pm

Anon, what is the Gospel by which we are saved??

Joe

30   merry    
January 10th, 2008 at 9:27 pm

Joe M, I have absolutely no idea why Anon told me to ignore you. Or why that entire particular comment was directed toward me.

Anon, be nice!! :(

Random question: Do mental hospitals allow their patients to have internet access?

31   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
January 10th, 2008 at 9:30 pm

Arrrgh, Anon is starting to bring out the fundamentalist in me… and that is not good! LOL!

iggy

32   Joe C    http://www.joe4gzus.blogspot.com
January 10th, 2008 at 9:32 pm

He already told Iggy and I we can’t understand Scripture…

Guess when God was giving out the Holy Spirit, Anon got the list ahead of time….

Joe

33   Anonymous    
January 10th, 2008 at 9:32 pm

Merry,

Niceness by itself has little to do with holiness.

I can explain by the extrinsic, intrinsic and transcendental motivation squares if you would like.

34   Anonymous    
January 10th, 2008 at 9:33 pm

iggy,

You do know that there are two axis of fundamentalism.

1) Fundamentalism by not listening – you

2) Fundamentalism by absolute truth – me

35   Anonymous    
January 10th, 2008 at 9:36 pm

Joe C,

The answer is yes about the Holy Spirit. Stop moderating me.

36   Joe Martino    http://joemartino.name
January 10th, 2008 at 9:37 pm

Hey Anon,
I see you’re on moderation. I was gonna approve it but then my screen shut down. Oh well.

37   Anonymous    
January 10th, 2008 at 9:39 pm

No problem Joe M

38   Chris L    http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/
January 10th, 2008 at 9:41 pm

Anon-

You completely ignored the warning you were given… You’re on 30+ minute moderation now.

You’re spewing too much crap laced with insults and doing nothing furthering the conversation. It will be a short stint in moderation if you show you can behave and/or give us your real name, email and website…

39   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
January 10th, 2008 at 9:44 pm

So far Anon has not even engaged me enough to even know what I know… but if one states something like that about others I think that I would rather be loving that knowledgeable… (1 Cor 8:1)

The sad think is people like Anon miss that humility is the key to understanding the Holy Spirits teachings from scripture … not reading a Dan Brown book…

The more I know the less I do understand and that is becuase I realized God is infinite and I am finite… and that is fine with me! It is God’s job to be the all Knowing God… not mine.

iggy

40   Anonymous    
January 10th, 2008 at 9:45 pm

Chris L

The insults are genuine, though I can see unappreciated.

Insults aside, I fail to see the “crap” that I have written.

In fact this is the most truth that your blog has seen in some time. The key words are “your blog” though, and so it appears I must be moderated.

41   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
January 10th, 2008 at 10:22 pm

Anon,

No insult intended… but all I have gotten from you is that your truth was from Dan Brown and that you like geometry and you like to insult and talk down to others….

Not one of those is a fruit of the Spirit.

You even insulted me after I quoted scripture to you… which you seemed to not understand nor cared to.

So as far as i see you are a bit out there and you “truth” seems more self centered than Christ centered.

I hope the best for you though,
iggy

42   anonymous    
January 10th, 2008 at 10:31 pm

iggy,

Eternal knowledge is gained after a lifetime of submission

43   anonymous    
January 10th, 2008 at 10:34 pm

iggy,

I am unclear what “you know” as you referenced above

44   merry    
January 11th, 2008 at 12:42 am

Anon,

The contents of the Bible, God’s Word, is the most important truth you will ever find. Do you ever read the Bible?

Nothing you have said so far has been backed by scripture. Nothing you say even makes sense to anyone but apparently yourself. I laughed at your comments because I was sure you were just a person messing around. But since you apparently are so serious about everything, I just tell you now: No one else is taking you seriously at all. Not only does no one understand you, but you have insulted, hurt feelings, and generally acted like you think you are better than everyone.

Is that the Christian way to act? Is that what Holiness is? Is being nice to people not acting holy? Seriously think about this. Jesus didn’t become human to act better than everyone else and gloat because He knew something they didn’t. He genuinely cared about people. I think you might use Him for an example of how to act.

I honestly hope you’re just a kid fooling around. If that foolish garble about hyper-masculinism is seriously what you think Christianity is, then I’ll be praying for you.

45   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
January 11th, 2008 at 1:03 am

Anon,

I am unclear what “you know” as you referenced above

Then you need take more care in how you address people…
don’t you.

iggy

46   Anonymous    
January 11th, 2008 at 1:09 am

iggy,

You still have not indicated anything that you know…

47   Anonymous    
January 11th, 2008 at 1:16 am

merry,

What I have said is the story of the The Word of God, or the Logos, or hyper-masculine.

The reason it does not make sense to anyone else (if what you assert is correct) is twofold:

1) The education level of the readers

2) The rebelliousness of the readers

Finally, I dare not say that I am better than everyone, but I easily and with confidence state that I know the truth.

I am a “fundamentalist by absolute truth”. Be careful not to be a “fundamentalist by not listening”.

48   Ian    http://www.lostintheheartofsomewhere.blogspot.com
January 11th, 2008 at 3:36 am

Anon

Just to help us understand, please can you provide a level of exegesis to show how this theory of hyper-masculinity is found in Scripture? I know that must seem pretty basic to you, but it would really help us …

49   merry    
January 11th, 2008 at 12:35 pm

Anon,

Yeah, I’ll definately be praying for you.

You didn’t answer my original question, which was do you ever read the Bible?

50   Christian    
January 11th, 2008 at 12:44 pm

Anon,

Do you have to have a PhD in physics to understand the Gospel? I am fairly well educated as are some of the other readers and posters on this blog. Our ability to understand has nothing to do with our education level. You are making assumptions that the words you use to communicate your message are used by other people. If you are truly interested in helping others discover truth then you will take more care in what you say and how you share it. I believe it is you who are “fundamentalist by not listening.” A few of these guys have made an effort to understand but you are in your own world.

For everybody,

As for Jesus rasing from the dead, it was God who raised Jesus from the dead. The word is always (as far as I have seen) in the past tense when refurring to Jesus’ resurrection. Plus you have statements like this: “That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” – Romans 10:9

51   anonymous    
January 11th, 2008 at 1:26 pm

Ian,

One does not even need to look at the Bible to understand this partially, although the Bible teaches this message in whole from front cover to back cover.

It is obvious when we look at the inequality of men and women in our everyday lives that this theory is correct.

The problem is that in the United States and other Western nations (less so), that women have been taught to think that they are equal to men.

Eve tried to usurp the order, and declare her equality – the equality of the hyper-feminine with the hyper-masculine – by taking the initiative after she was deceived by the devil. Adam surrendered his role as man, and submitted to his wife because he was afraid and cynical of being alone.

52   anonymous    
January 11th, 2008 at 1:32 pm

Christian,

Of course I must differ with you, as I believe educated people have an easier time grasping concepts than the uneducated.

53   Christian    
January 11th, 2008 at 2:34 pm

I get it now. Anon’s view is what we would call an elitist gospel.

54   Phil Miller    http://veritasfellowship.blogspot.com
January 11th, 2008 at 2:37 pm

Anon,

Exactly – of course this is why Jesus chose largely uneducated fishermen and people of other questionable backgrounds to be his disciples…

Oh, wait…

What a maroon.

55   merry    
January 11th, 2008 at 2:45 pm

Anon, okay, so you believe men and women are unequal.

What in the world does that have anything to do with the gospel message??? Jesus died for both men AND women, as both genders are completely human. God loves both men and women equally.

Whether men and women are unequal can be quite a debate, but it has NOTHING to do with Christianity as a whole.

56   anonymous    
January 11th, 2008 at 2:57 pm

merry,

The inequality of men and women comes from the inherent inequality of the hyper-masculine and hyper-feminine.

Christianity is impossible to understand without accepting this premise.

The gospel message rests on the idea of inequality, specifically between men and women, but also among other groups, such as slaves and masters, children and adults, etc.

57   Chris L    http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/
January 11th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

I get it now. Anon’s view is what we would call an elitist gospel.

Or, possibly, an esoteric gospel centered on ’special knowledge’…

…if only we had a word or phrase to describe such a thing…

58   anonymous    
January 11th, 2008 at 3:04 pm

Phil,

Perhaps our definition of “educated person” differs.

I claim that an educated person is one who is not a “Fundamentalist by not listening”.

This is why one must accept the Gospel as a child.

If one is not a child, then one must work very hard by becoming educated to understand the truths of our world which reflect the truths of eternity.

Most soft fields today have little to do with learning to listen and a lot to do with becoming a “Fundamentalist by not listening”.

Engineers, Physicists and other “hard science” specialists usually have an easier time understanding truth – they are willing to listen – as long as they have not been lost in the ideology of macro-evolution.

59   Joe Martino    http://joemartino.name
January 11th, 2008 at 3:07 pm

Serious question; why is anyone still engaging this guy? Does anyone think he is genuine?

60   anonymous    
January 11th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

Chris L,

You need no “special knowledge”. You need basic knowledge!

61   Neil    
January 11th, 2008 at 3:12 pm

Genuine – maybe
To be taken seriously – no

62   merry    
January 11th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

I’ve been trying to figure out if he’s a hoax.

If he’s genuine, I’m extremely concerned for him.

Either way, I still care about him. There are so many lost, confused people in this world.

63   Neil    
January 11th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

Merry,

from that pov it’s probably impossibe to tell if he really believes that stuff or just like trolling and writing in circles… yeah, I know, it’s nly circular becuase I cannot listen to Scripture…

I did notice when asked to provide Scripture he falls back to say (paraphrase) “We are not ready/able to hear the Scriptures” -

64   Chris L    http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/
January 11th, 2008 at 3:23 pm

I also notice that Anon has conspicuously avoided giving any biblical references for the metaphysical BS he’s toking…

65   Neil    
January 11th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

Chris L.,

That was my point, he’s playing Jack Nicholson… when we ask him for Scriptural truth he says we can’t handle it… it is a convenient tactic though.

Neil

66   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
January 11th, 2008 at 3:42 pm

Of course I must differ with you, as I believe educated people have an easier time grasping concepts than the uneducated. ~ Anon

So much for James’ words of not having favoritism or the teachings of Paul who stated in Galatians 3:28

There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

It seems that the rich will have a better time getting through and eye of the needle… yet, they seem to be the best educated… hmmmm

Whom to believe, Jesus or some person calling themselves anonymous? Hmmmm….

I will stick to the Gospel of Christ Jesus…. thank you!

iggy

67   anonymous    
January 11th, 2008 at 3:49 pm

iggy,

Galatians 3:28 is an excellent verse. Please understand that Paul is talking about hyper-masculinity.

When women become mothers (spiritual or real) and slaves obey their masters, they are becoming manifestations of the hyper-masculine.

Through Jesus Christ, the most unequal persons in the world become the most God-like.

68   Joe Martino    http://joemartino.name
January 11th, 2008 at 4:23 pm

Neil, He’s playing around. No way, he’s genuine.
Chris L, Poor Jim from Old Truth probably had a coronary trying to get

“the metaphysical BS he’s toking…”

into his hit piece on you.

At this point I’d just like to say,

“Hi Jim, Always good to have a brother in Christ looking to slander and “mark”–that is how you put it right–us. Really and truly, I’m glad you can slink around here and write your…ahem…blog stuff. I pray nothing but blessings for you and yours right now. I pray that God will reward you justly for your labors. I mean that.”

69   anonymous    
January 11th, 2008 at 4:40 pm

I am not Jim from Old Truth nor am I affiliated with him.

Everything I say is genuine and true, but of course you are welcome to cover your ears whilst screaming.

Perhaps the modern day equivalent is to moderate.

70   anonymous    
January 11th, 2008 at 4:46 pm

Neil seems quite intelligent, regarding understanding logic and such.

Neil: lose the sarcasm and you will be much more effective.

71   anonymous    
January 11th, 2008 at 5:51 pm

Regarding the death of Jesus… the God- Man. The death of his human maleness was only a shadow of the death of his hyper-masculine Godness. Therefore, like any shadow is effected by the hyper-object and the light source… the shadow death Jesus suffered as a shadow masculine entity was drug along into life by the resuscitation of the hyper-revitalization of the hyper-masculinity of his Divinity.

Right?
I don’t think Christianity is eternal – Christ “yes” – Christianity – “not so.”

Neil,

Regarding the death of Jesus, read Hebrews and specifically Hebrews 9:11-28.

Secondly, Christianity is eternal because “Christians” or more precisely the church is the bride of Jesus Christ.

The completely unequal hyper-feminine becomes part of the hyper-masculine through perfect submission to His indescribable love. This is the mystery, or at least part of it.